We were so sorry to hear about your Mom. We did stop to see her just before she moved into her last place which she described as being very nice. We had some very good and memorable times with Cathy and Herb and especially when we went smelt fishing and another fellow joined us Wally !McClung. Anyway Ellis says "I gotta watch this, Wally is going to sell a pair of gum boots to Herb." (Ellis was kidding: don't remember what happened there but we sure got loads of these wonderful smelt. We sure miss a feed of those.) Cathy, Herb, and we lived on Milwaukee Ave. in Portland and visited a lot. We moved to Idanha in the mountains and they drove with Karen to visit us. We still have pictures somewhere of this get-together. Anyway, we loved both of them. Do not know what you remember, of course. Hope we see you some time. Our love to Karen and Lori and to you. Ellis and Millie B.