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=== Johnathan Haidt, 2012 | Cedar Mill 302 HAIDT === === Jonathan Haidt, 2012 | Cedar Mill 302 HAIDT ===
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The [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt Jonathan Haidt ]]

The main message from this book is there

==== Introduction ====
 .xiii Human nature is not just intrinsically moral, it is also intrinsically moralistic, critical, and judgmental.
==== Part 1, Intuitions Come First, Strategic Reasoning Second ====
 . The mind is divided, like a rider on an elephant, and the rider's job is to serve the elephant.
 . [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hume | (David) Humean model ]]
 .p004 family dog killed, eaten. Disgusting yes, morally wrong no (to well-educated)
 .p004 man buys supermarket chicken, has sex with it, then eats it. MORE disgusting, morally wrong no (to well-educated)
  . everyone else says WRONG
 .p005 ''nativist'' (Bible, Darwin) morality built in
 .p005 ''empiricist'' (John Locke) believes babies blank slates, children learn morality from experience
 .p005 ''rationalist'' (Piaget) children figure it out for themselves
 .p006 morality self-constructed during play, improving with age
 .p007 ''rationalist'' believes moral knowledge from reasoning
 .p007 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg | Lawrence Kohlberg ]] quantified Piaget, defined six stages of social reasoning
 .p008 Kohlberg claims morally advanced kids learned other's perspectives from "role taking"
 .p009 Kohlberg's framework predefined morality as justice, not authority, hierarchy, and tradition
 .p010 kids recognize social conventions different than harm prevention
 .p012 different moralities: "Ilongot" ([[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugkalot | Bugkalot ]]), formerly headhunters, channeled in-group tensions to out-group competition
 .p014 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Shweder | Richard Shweder ]] quotes [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Geertz | Clifford Geertz ]], westerners think bounded unique individuals, peculiar idea elsewhere
 . intuition and emotions rule, strategic reasoning justifies/explains (sometimes)
 .p049 Dale Carnegie: avoid confrontation, be a good listener, instead of reverting to combat mode
 .p055 brains evaluate threat/benefit very quickly, [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zajonc | Robert Zajonc affective primacy ]]
 .p072 [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges | ring of gyges ]]
 .p075 Accountability systems make human beings the world champions of cooperation beyond kinship.
 .p075 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_E._Tetlock | Philip Tetlock ]]
 .p086 people care about their groups, not ideas
 .p088 The rationalist delusion / [[ https://reasonandliberty.com/bits/haidt_rationalist_delusion | counterargument ]]
==== Part 2, There is More to Morality than Harm and Fairness ====
 .p096 Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic . a world of objects, not relationships
 .p099 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Shweder | Shweder's Three Ethics ]], '''Community, Autonomy, Divinity'''
 .p102 Haidt fieldwork in India, adapted to family rather than individual ethics
 .p105 feelings of essences emanating from objects -> reverence, ethics of divinity
 .p117 Two axis graph, low-high empathizers, low-high systemizers, Kant and utilitarian Bentham systemizers
 .p120 psychology descriptive, how the mind actually works, not hour it ought to work.
 .p125 Righteous mind mix of (version 1)
   . '''Care/Harm, Fairness/Cheating, Loyalty/Betrayal, Authority/Subversion, Sanctity/Degradation'''
 .p146 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes | Armin Meiwes ]] cannibal, Bernd Brandes willing victim
 .p148 conservative [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophobia | neophobia ]], liberal [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophile | neophilia ]]
 .p149 no sense of disgust ... no sense of the sacred
 .p150 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ring#Silver_Ring_Thing | Silver Ring Thing ]] virginity pledge
 .p152 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Kass | Leon Kass ]] spokesman for Shweder's ethic of divininty
 .p155 ''suggested Kerry speech rewrite:'' "You gonna pay for that, George?"
  . Kerry could have activated Fairness/cheating
 .p156: ''Republicans understand moral psychology. Democrats don't'' '''R's go straight for the gut.'''
 .p156 Bill Clinton knew how to charm elephants.
 .p156 after Clinton, R's focus on loyalty, authority, and sanctity
 .p158 graph: very liberal, only care and fairness. very conservative, average care and fairness ''plus'' loyalty, authority, sanctity
 .p166 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stuart_Mill | Mill ]] versus [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89mile_Durkheim | Durkheim ]]
 .p169 fairness: for liberals equality, for conservatives proportionality
 .p169 sixth foundation, liberty/oppression
 .p171 alpha male chimps are bullies, 500kya spears shifted from dominance to morality
 .p172 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Boehm | reverse dominance hierarchy ]]
 .version 2
  . '''Care/Harm, Fairness/Cheating, Loyalty/Betrayal, Authority/Subversion, Sanctity/Degradation, Liberty/Oppression'''

==== Part 3, Morality Binds and Blinds ====
 .p187 We are 90% Chimp and 10% Bee
 .p191 natural selection multiple levels, groups compete with groups
 .p193 multi-level selection
 .p196 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Christopher_Williams | George C. Williams ]] Adaptation and Natural Selection 1966
 .p198 Humans are the giraffes of altruism
 .p201 John Maynard Smith, Eörs Szathmáry:[[ https://wccls.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S143C972828 | The major transitions in evolution ]] , 1997
 .p203 Total tonnage of humans: 98% of mammals, '''including''' our domesticated animals: [[ https://www.downtoearth.org.in/wildlife-biodiversity/total-weight-of-humans-is-10-times-that-of-all-wild-mammals-put-together-88380#:~:text=The%20total%20weight%20of%20wild,tonnes%2C%20according%20to%20the%20findings. | 390 MT human, 630 MT domesticated ]]
 .p203 Human mass insigificant 12kya
 .p204 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Tomasello | Michael Tomasello: ]] "... inconceivable ... two chimps carrying log together."
 .p205 humans developed shared intentionality
 .p208 1.8 MYA [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acheulean | Acheulean ]] toolkit
 .p211 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-domestication | Self-domestication ]]
 .p213 [[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Belyayev_(zoologist) | Dmitry Belyayev ]] 30 generations to domesticated foxes
 .p215 Holocene very fast human evolution [[ https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.0707650104 | Hawks 2007 ]] . [[ https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.0030090&type=printable | Williamson 2007 ]]
 .p217 Lesley Newson: A story of us : a new look at human evolution Multco Central [[ https://multcolib.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S152C2031605 | 599.938 N5587s 2021 ]]


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==== Part 3, Morality Binds and Blinds ====

The Righteous Mind

Why Good People Are Divided by Poliotics and Religion

Jonathan Haidt, 2012 | Cedar Mill 302 HAIDT

  • p005 1987 grad student psychology University of Pennsylvania

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt Jonathan Haidt

The main message from this book is there

Introduction

  • xiii Human nature is not just intrinsically moral, it is also intrinsically moralistic, critical, and judgmental.

Part 1, Intuitions Come First, Strategic Reasoning Second

  • The mind is divided, like a rider on an elephant, and the rider's job is to serve the elephant.
  • (David) Humean model

  • p004 family dog killed, eaten. Disgusting yes, morally wrong no (to well-educated)
  • p004 man buys supermarket chicken, has sex with it, then eats it. MORE disgusting, morally wrong no (to well-educated)
    • everyone else says WRONG
  • p005 nativist (Bible, Darwin) morality built in

  • p005 empiricist (John Locke) believes babies blank slates, children learn morality from experience

  • p005 rationalist (Piaget) children figure it out for themselves

  • p006 morality self-constructed during play, improving with age
  • p007 rationalist believes moral knowledge from reasoning

  • p007 Lawrence Kohlberg quantified Piaget, defined six stages of social reasoning

  • p008 Kohlberg claims morally advanced kids learned other's perspectives from "role taking"
  • p009 Kohlberg's framework predefined morality as justice, not authority, hierarchy, and tradition
  • p010 kids recognize social conventions different than harm prevention
  • p012 different moralities: "Ilongot" (Bugkalot), formerly headhunters, channeled in-group tensions to out-group competition

  • p014 Richard Shweder quotes Clifford Geertz, westerners think bounded unique individuals, peculiar idea elsewhere

  • intuition and emotions rule, strategic reasoning justifies/explains (sometimes)
  • p049 Dale Carnegie: avoid confrontation, be a good listener, instead of reverting to combat mode
  • p055 brains evaluate threat/benefit very quickly, Robert Zajonc affective primacy

  • p072 ring of gyges

  • p075 Accountability systems make human beings the world champions of cooperation beyond kinship.
  • p075 Philip Tetlock

  • p086 people care about their groups, not ideas
  • p088 The rationalist delusion / counterargument

Part 2, There is More to Morality than Harm and Fairness

  • p096 Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic . a world of objects, not relationships
  • p099 Shweder's Three Ethics, Community, Autonomy, Divinity

  • p102 Haidt fieldwork in India, adapted to family rather than individual ethics
  • p105 feelings of essences emanating from objects -> reverence, ethics of divinity

  • p117 Two axis graph, low-high empathizers, low-high systemizers, Kant and utilitarian Bentham systemizers
  • p120 psychology descriptive, how the mind actually works, not hour it ought to work.
  • p125 Righteous mind mix of (version 1)
    • Care/Harm, Fairness/Cheating, Loyalty/Betrayal, Authority/Subversion, Sanctity/Degradation

  • p146 Armin Meiwes cannibal, Bernd Brandes willing victim

  • p148 conservative neophobia, liberal neophilia

  • p149 no sense of disgust ... no sense of the sacred
  • p150 Silver Ring Thing virginity pledge

  • p152 Leon Kass spokesman for Shweder's ethic of divininty

  • p155 suggested Kerry speech rewrite: "You gonna pay for that, George?"

    • Kerry could have activated Fairness/cheating
  • p156: Republicans understand moral psychology. Democrats don't R's go straight for the gut.

  • p156 Bill Clinton knew how to charm elephants.
  • p156 after Clinton, R's focus on loyalty, authority, and sanctity
  • p158 graph: very liberal, only care and fairness. very conservative, average care and fairness plus loyalty, authority, sanctity

  • p166 Mill versus Durkheim

  • p169 fairness: for liberals equality, for conservatives proportionality
  • p169 sixth foundation, liberty/oppression
  • p171 alpha male chimps are bullies, 500kya spears shifted from dominance to morality
  • p172 reverse dominance hierarchy

  • version 2
    • Care/Harm, Fairness/Cheating, Loyalty/Betrayal, Authority/Subversion, Sanctity/Degradation, Liberty/Oppression

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